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	<title>Comments for Fred Trotter</title>
	<link>http://www.fredtrotter.com</link>
	<description>My life and thoughts, often about FOSS in medicine</description>
	<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 19:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on FUD From Dr Peel by ftrotter</title>
		<link>http://www.fredtrotter.com/2008/03/24/fud-from-dr-peel/#comment-791</link>
		<dc:creator>ftrotter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 10:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.fredtrotter.com/2008/03/24/fud-from-dr-peel/#comment-791</guid>
		<description>I am not sure that Dr. Peel actually meant to play "the race card". I think her point is that there is an important informed consent missing, which is at the heart of the Tuskegee Experiments. However, I think my point (and apparently yours) is that it really is pretty difficult to discuss Tuskegee without also trying to parse out difficult race based issues. In this respect it is just as fruitless as discussing the holocaust without also discussing the racial implications of the holocaust.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not sure that Dr. Peel actually meant to play &#8220;the race card&#8221;. I think her point is that there is an important informed consent missing, which is at the heart of the Tuskegee Experiments. However, I think my point (and apparently yours) is that it really is pretty difficult to discuss Tuskegee without also trying to parse out difficult race based issues. In this respect it is just as fruitless as discussing the holocaust without also discussing the racial implications of the holocaust.</p>
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		<title>Comment on FUD From Dr Peel by Marian</title>
		<link>http://www.fredtrotter.com/2008/03/24/fud-from-dr-peel/#comment-786</link>
		<dc:creator>Marian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 01:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.fredtrotter.com/2008/03/24/fud-from-dr-peel/#comment-786</guid>
		<description>Fred,

You know my views on Deborah Peel. I just have to say that she has really crossed the line here. Pulling the race card? This is NOTHING like Tuskegee. It is a fact that diseases affect different races differently. We cannot change this at this point in time. Research on Type II diabetes will help those more commonly affected MORE than others. She would deny them this benefit? Because of misplaced concerns over privacy? This is truly a distorted view and she needs to take a few deep breaths, get over herself, and try to see the bigger picture.

Marian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred,</p>
<p>You know my views on Deborah Peel. I just have to say that she has really crossed the line here. Pulling the race card? This is NOTHING like Tuskegee. It is a fact that diseases affect different races differently. We cannot change this at this point in time. Research on Type II diabetes will help those more commonly affected MORE than others. She would deny them this benefit? Because of misplaced concerns over privacy? This is truly a distorted view and she needs to take a few deep breaths, get over herself, and try to see the bigger picture.</p>
<p>Marian</p>
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		<title>Comment on Google Health vs. HealthVault round 1 by ftrotter</title>
		<link>http://www.fredtrotter.com/2008/03/04/google-health-vs-healthvault-round-1/#comment-651</link>
		<dc:creator>ftrotter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 21:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.fredtrotter.com/2008/03/04/google-health-vs-healthvault-round-1/#comment-651</guid>
		<description>John,
      Thanks for your comments. You wrote:

"What is more meaningful to take in and expose to your readers is that Microsoft is providing a platform that many vendors and partners can write applications for."

From what the Google folks are telling me, the Google Health is intended to be a platform too. That is exactly the term that Eric Schmidt spoke about at HIMSS. I have seen the demo of the application, and had as careful a look as any "outsider" I know of, from what I can tell it is obviously designed to be a platform. Google has already committed to  releasing an API, just like HealthVault. 


As for Google not providing as compelling a platform as Microsoft, I cannot imagine a device maker that would work with Microsoft, but would not work with Google Health. Further, Google has been a market leader in creating web-platforms. 

The Microsoft guys have already commented on my comments regarding proprietary XML vs CCD, and until I have had a better chance to look at their implementation I will not comment on it further. If you (and Microsoft) are correct, I will update my current review. 

As for commenting too soon, I completely disagree with you. Carefully commenting at this stage might help shape the policies for both Microsoft and Google, which will ultimately impact how the industry is regulated etc etc. Now seems like the perfect time to make noise.

-FT</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,<br />
      Thanks for your comments. You wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;What is more meaningful to take in and expose to your readers is that Microsoft is providing a platform that many vendors and partners can write applications for.&#8221;</p>
<p>From what the Google folks are telling me, the Google Health is intended to be a platform too. That is exactly the term that Eric Schmidt spoke about at HIMSS. I have seen the demo of the application, and had as careful a look as any &#8220;outsider&#8221; I know of, from what I can tell it is obviously designed to be a platform. Google has already committed to  releasing an API, just like HealthVault. </p>
<p>As for Google not providing as compelling a platform as Microsoft, I cannot imagine a device maker that would work with Microsoft, but would not work with Google Health. Further, Google has been a market leader in creating web-platforms. </p>
<p>The Microsoft guys have already commented on my comments regarding proprietary XML vs CCD, and until I have had a better chance to look at their implementation I will not comment on it further. If you (and Microsoft) are correct, I will update my current review. </p>
<p>As for commenting too soon, I completely disagree with you. Carefully commenting at this stage might help shape the policies for both Microsoft and Google, which will ultimately impact how the industry is regulated etc etc. Now seems like the perfect time to make noise.</p>
<p>-FT</p>
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		<title>Comment on Google Health vs. HealthVault round 1 by John Theisen</title>
		<link>http://www.fredtrotter.com/2008/03/04/google-health-vs-healthvault-round-1/#comment-650</link>
		<dc:creator>John Theisen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 20:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.fredtrotter.com/2008/03/04/google-health-vs-healthvault-round-1/#comment-650</guid>
		<description>While I'm not totally familiar with what Google is doing now, I do know enough about what Microsoft is attempting to provide with their HealthVault platform. Microsoft's strategy may be the tortoise to Google's hare. While there might be what you're calling flaws in the security model, which I disagree with, those can be addressed. What is more meaningful to take in and expose to your readers is that Microsoft is providing a platform that many vendors and partners can write applications for. The initial applications are not as compelling as you would hope for, but then again this is a new area where applications for Consumer driven Healthcare are new to the block. Microsoft has relationships with a great many device vendors which means that consumers can actively participate in the collection of their own healthcare data. In order for Google to do the same thing they are going to have to provide tools that allow the devices to upload data, or like the earlier versions of Google Health (just let the patients type it into a free format text box). Doctors that I've talked to are highly against consuming data from patients that has not been vetted in some way. For that part of the eco-system I think that Microsoft has provided a better platform.

Also, I wouldn't focus too much on Google or Microsoft support for CCR/CCD (incidently you CAN import/export both in HealthVault). Current EMR vendors only have CCR/CCD support minimally and you still have the big problem of document versioning that you'll need to expose to the consumer. Which clinic and which CCD is most up to date? Should I overwrite the one in Google Health/HealthVault? How do I update only the blood pressure part of the CCD and what applications have the rights to do so on my behalf?

I think that this comparison between the two platforms is irrelevant. Google has an entirely different mission and objective than Microsoft does. Until both platforms have more time for adoption and flushing out, I don't see that it makes sense to say, Google wins here, Microsoft is broken here, etc...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I&#8217;m not totally familiar with what Google is doing now, I do know enough about what Microsoft is attempting to provide with their HealthVault platform. Microsoft&#8217;s strategy may be the tortoise to Google&#8217;s hare. While there might be what you&#8217;re calling flaws in the security model, which I disagree with, those can be addressed. What is more meaningful to take in and expose to your readers is that Microsoft is providing a platform that many vendors and partners can write applications for. The initial applications are not as compelling as you would hope for, but then again this is a new area where applications for Consumer driven Healthcare are new to the block. Microsoft has relationships with a great many device vendors which means that consumers can actively participate in the collection of their own healthcare data. In order for Google to do the same thing they are going to have to provide tools that allow the devices to upload data, or like the earlier versions of Google Health (just let the patients type it into a free format text box). Doctors that I&#8217;ve talked to are highly against consuming data from patients that has not been vetted in some way. For that part of the eco-system I think that Microsoft has provided a better platform.</p>
<p>Also, I wouldn&#8217;t focus too much on Google or Microsoft support for CCR/CCD (incidently you CAN import/export both in HealthVault). Current EMR vendors only have CCR/CCD support minimally and you still have the big problem of document versioning that you&#8217;ll need to expose to the consumer. Which clinic and which CCD is most up to date? Should I overwrite the one in Google Health/HealthVault? How do I update only the blood pressure part of the CCD and what applications have the rights to do so on my behalf?</p>
<p>I think that this comparison between the two platforms is irrelevant. Google has an entirely different mission and objective than Microsoft does. Until both platforms have more time for adoption and flushing out, I don&#8217;t see that it makes sense to say, Google wins here, Microsoft is broken here, etc&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on FOSS Sin: Pointless Duplication of Effort by ftrotter</title>
		<link>http://www.fredtrotter.com/2007/11/27/foss-sin-pointless-duplication-of-effort/#comment-645</link>
		<dc:creator>ftrotter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 02:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.fredtrotter.com/2007/11/27/foss-sin-pointless-duplication-of-effort/#comment-645</guid>
		<description>Alan,
      Sorry I missed your post. It got buried with a bunch of spam. You have excellent points about ClearHealth/MirrorMed. A few thoughts:

ClearHealth has a pretty strict trademark policy, as you have stated. I would like to do something more friendly with MirrorMed, but the concern would be trademark-dilution. If someone is really interested in using the MirrorMed trademark I will probably come up with a better was to handle the dilution issue.

As for the development style of the various communities: OpenEMR is a very approachable community, probably the best project in that particular regard. ClearHealth and MirrorMed should open up, but from a business perspective, both companies are more interested in ensuring good products for our own customers, than working with a community that generates only infrequent patches. 

If you have a serious code-contribution that you feel is being overlooked, let me know and I will see what I can do.

-FT</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan,<br />
      Sorry I missed your post. It got buried with a bunch of spam. You have excellent points about ClearHealth/MirrorMed. A few thoughts:</p>
<p>ClearHealth has a pretty strict trademark policy, as you have stated. I would like to do something more friendly with MirrorMed, but the concern would be trademark-dilution. If someone is really interested in using the MirrorMed trademark I will probably come up with a better was to handle the dilution issue.</p>
<p>As for the development style of the various communities: OpenEMR is a very approachable community, probably the best project in that particular regard. ClearHealth and MirrorMed should open up, but from a business perspective, both companies are more interested in ensuring good products for our own customers, than working with a community that generates only infrequent patches. </p>
<p>If you have a serious code-contribution that you feel is being overlooked, let me know and I will see what I can do.</p>
<p>-FT</p>
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		<title>Comment on Google Health vs. HealthVault round 1 by Sean Nolan</title>
		<link>http://www.fredtrotter.com/2008/03/04/google-health-vs-healthvault-round-1/#comment-643</link>
		<dc:creator>Sean Nolan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 23:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.fredtrotter.com/2008/03/04/google-health-vs-healthvault-round-1/#comment-643</guid>
		<description>Fred -- your analysis has some major factual errors, in particular around the HealthVault security model. I've responded in depth at http://www.familyhealthguy.com/2008/03/sharing-data-with-healthvault.html ... please take a look. Thanks. ---S</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred &#8212; your analysis has some major factual errors, in particular around the HealthVault security model. I&#8217;ve responded in depth at <a href="http://www.familyhealthguy.com/2008/03/sharing-data-with-healthvault.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.familyhealthguy.com/2008/03/sharing-data-with-healthvault.html</a> &#8230; please take a look. Thanks. &#8212;S</p>
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		<title>Comment on Meeting Dr. Peel by ftrotter</title>
		<link>http://www.fredtrotter.com/2008/02/27/meeting-dr-peel/#comment-604</link>
		<dc:creator>ftrotter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 13:05:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.fredtrotter.com/2008/02/27/meeting-dr-peel/#comment-604</guid>
		<description>excellent points Marian!

Just because she effectively answered some my complaints does not mean I fully endorse everything that she says. One of the posts that I have not mentioned is my "devil is in the details" post, that discusses why real privacy is such a complex issue. 

Hopefully Dr. Peel will be willing to continue engaging with me privately and if she does, I will definitely bring up your concerns. You are not the first privacy professional to share this opinion with me, and I think what Dr. Peel might need to hear is that exoneration might also be found in the details that she views from 10000 ft. 

Broad brush strokes will only go so far....

-FT</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>excellent points Marian!</p>
<p>Just because she effectively answered some my complaints does not mean I fully endorse everything that she says. One of the posts that I have not mentioned is my &#8220;devil is in the details&#8221; post, that discusses why real privacy is such a complex issue. </p>
<p>Hopefully Dr. Peel will be willing to continue engaging with me privately and if she does, I will definitely bring up your concerns. You are not the first privacy professional to share this opinion with me, and I think what Dr. Peel might need to hear is that exoneration might also be found in the details that she views from 10000 ft. </p>
<p>Broad brush strokes will only go so far&#8230;.</p>
<p>-FT</p>
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		<title>Comment on Meeting Dr. Peel by Marian</title>
		<link>http://www.fredtrotter.com/2008/02/27/meeting-dr-peel/#comment-603</link>
		<dc:creator>Marian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 12:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.fredtrotter.com/2008/02/27/meeting-dr-peel/#comment-603</guid>
		<description>Fred,
None of that changes the fact that the woman is under-informed and under-prepared to speak, and as a result unpersuasive.

She doesn't make a case by logic, but is all about trying to evoke an emotional response about the "shocking" lack of privacy. She presents accusations as fact, without support, attribution or evidence. She quotes people out of context and in ways opposed to their original intent.

I am a security professional very concerned about the privacy and security of people's health information. I actually work at this professionally every day and fully understand the issues involved, unlike Deborah Peel. What she is promoting is not what most Americans want (she provides NO empirical evidence that they do) and not consistent with how Americans choose to run their personal affairs.

I was in the audience yesterday and it can't have escaped your notice that the auditorium HIMSS provided could have held over 1000 people. But it was less than 1/4 full, with many people leaving while the talk was in progress. This should certainly be an indication that she has fundamentally mis-read the climate of public opinion on this issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred,<br />
None of that changes the fact that the woman is under-informed and under-prepared to speak, and as a result unpersuasive.</p>
<p>She doesn&#8217;t make a case by logic, but is all about trying to evoke an emotional response about the &#8220;shocking&#8221; lack of privacy. She presents accusations as fact, without support, attribution or evidence. She quotes people out of context and in ways opposed to their original intent.</p>
<p>I am a security professional very concerned about the privacy and security of people&#8217;s health information. I actually work at this professionally every day and fully understand the issues involved, unlike Deborah Peel. What she is promoting is not what most Americans want (she provides NO empirical evidence that they do) and not consistent with how Americans choose to run their personal affairs.</p>
<p>I was in the audience yesterday and it can&#8217;t have escaped your notice that the auditorium HIMSS provided could have held over 1000 people. But it was less than 1/4 full, with many people leaving while the talk was in progress. This should certainly be an indication that she has fundamentally mis-read the climate of public opinion on this issue.</p>
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		<title>Comment on HealthVault: becoming un-Microsoft? by Getting Giga Over Google (Again) &#171; Crossover Healthcare</title>
		<link>http://www.fredtrotter.com/2008/02/21/healthvault-becoming-un-microsoft/#comment-598</link>
		<dc:creator>Getting Giga Over Google (Again) &#171; Crossover Healthcare</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 15:28:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.fredtrotter.com/2008/02/21/healthvault-becoming-un-microsoft/#comment-598</guid>
		<description>[...] surprising announcement that they are going to &#8220;open source&#8221; their framework, release API&#8217;s specifications, and even fund startup projects as part of their Be Well [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] surprising announcement that they are going to &#8220;open source&#8221; their framework, release API&#8217;s specifications, and even fund startup projects as part of their Be Well [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>Comment on HealthVault: becoming un-Microsoft? by Peter</title>
		<link>http://www.fredtrotter.com/2008/02/21/healthvault-becoming-un-microsoft/#comment-571</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.fredtrotter.com/2008/02/21/healthvault-becoming-un-microsoft/#comment-571</guid>
		<description>I should also point out that Microsoft's foray into "open" Office formats is a third perspective--if you're worried about their honesty with publishing open specs, that would be a good place to look for perspective. Summary: not all positive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should also point out that Microsoft&#8217;s foray into &#8220;open&#8221; Office formats is a third perspective&#8211;if you&#8217;re worried about their honesty with publishing open specs, that would be a good place to look for perspective. Summary: not all positive.</p>
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