Comments on: Who owns the data http://www.fredtrotter.com/2009/10/27/who-owns-the-data/ Hacktivist, coding for social change Wed, 25 Jan 2012 14:14:05 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.4 By: ftrotter http://www.fredtrotter.com/2009/10/27/who-owns-the-data/comment-page-1/#comment-5991 ftrotter Tue, 16 Feb 2010 14:30:14 +0000 http://www.fredtrotter.com/2009/10/27/who-owns-the-data/#comment-5991 What does "joint property" mean? I have "joint property" with my wife and (heaven forbid) if we ever get a divorce there will be a big mess. Who has control of what goes in the data? Who has the responsbility to maintain the data? Your statement sounds lovely but deals with none of the actual complexities in the issue. It does not even detail how this notion of ownership that you have not defined is empowering... -FT What does “joint property” mean?
I have “joint property” with my wife and (heaven forbid) if we ever get a divorce there will be a big mess.
Who has control of what goes in the data? Who has the responsbility to maintain the data?

Your statement sounds lovely but deals with none of the actual complexities in the issue.
It does not even detail how this notion of ownership that you have not defined is empowering…

-FT

]]> By: Stanley Krute http://www.fredtrotter.com/2009/10/27/who-owns-the-data/comment-page-1/#comment-5907 Stanley Krute Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:32:44 +0000 http://www.fredtrotter.com/2009/10/27/who-owns-the-data/#comment-5907 One of the few constitutional amendments I'd like to see is something along these lines: ----------- Data concerning a citizen is the joint property of the citizen and the entities that create that data. ----------- Call it a hash argument if you like. I prefer not to. I see it as a key to personal empowerment in an age of information and increasing corporate power. -- stanley krute One of the few constitutional amendments I’d like to see is something along these lines:

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Data concerning a citizen is the joint property of the citizen and the entities that create that data.
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Call it a hash argument if you like. I prefer not to. I see it as a key to personal empowerment in an age of information and increasing corporate power.

– stanley krute

]]> By: ftrotter http://www.fredtrotter.com/2009/10/27/who-owns-the-data/comment-page-1/#comment-5842 ftrotter Sun, 10 Jan 2010 13:49:16 +0000 http://www.fredtrotter.com/2009/10/27/who-owns-the-data/#comment-5842 Not at all. Rather, "calling hash argument" requires that you at least reference why an argument qualifies. This is easier to do when you can link to something that clearly details why the argument is a hash argument, which is exactly what I have done here. It is useful to point out when someone is opening a can of worms that has no added benefit to a discussion. Not at all. Rather, “calling hash argument” requires that you at least reference why an argument qualifies. This is easier to do when you can link to something that clearly details why the argument is a hash argument, which is exactly what I have done here. It is useful to point out when someone is opening a can of worms that has no added benefit to a discussion.

]]> By: John Lynn http://www.fredtrotter.com/2009/10/27/who-owns-the-data/comment-page-1/#comment-5583 John Lynn Thu, 19 Nov 2009 07:11:53 +0000 http://www.fredtrotter.com/2009/10/27/who-owns-the-data/#comment-5583 Really interesting analysis of the situation. When I've heard this question or read it online, in my head I always say "Who CARES?" This is a good explanation of why I shouldn't care. I think we're too worried about ownership and not worried enough about providing great results. Not to mention some civility and understanding. Really interesting analysis of the situation. When I’ve heard this question or read it online, in my head I always say “Who CARES?” This is a good explanation of why I shouldn’t care. I think we’re too worried about ownership and not worried enough about providing great results. Not to mention some civility and understanding.

]]> By: Jack Repenning http://www.fredtrotter.com/2009/10/27/who-owns-the-data/comment-page-1/#comment-5557 Jack Repenning Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:04:51 +0000 http://www.fredtrotter.com/2009/10/27/who-owns-the-data/#comment-5557 Is this the new Godwin's Law? Toss out "hash argument," and expect all discussion to cease? Established notions of ownership are not all trivial, and there are few other available models to challenge the "might makes right" argument of possession. Excluding any ownership-based discussion only delivers the debate to those whose motives are more economic than social or moral. So how about a rejoinder: "what kind of 'ownership' did you have in mind?" Is this the new Godwin’s Law? Toss out “hash argument,” and expect all discussion to cease? Established notions of ownership are not all trivial, and there are few other available models to challenge the “might makes right” argument of possession. Excluding any ownership-based discussion only delivers the debate to those whose motives are more economic than social or moral.

So how about a rejoinder: “what kind of ‘ownership’ did you have in mind?”

]]> By: Gregg Masters http://www.fredtrotter.com/2009/10/27/who-owns-the-data/comment-page-1/#comment-5555 Gregg Masters Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:13:08 +0000 http://www.fredtrotter.com/2009/10/27/who-owns-the-data/#comment-5555 At the risk of trivializing the question: http://2healthguru.wordpress.com/2009/03/26/i-will-license-or-lease-my-health-information-to-providers/ No pun intended! It's time to consider and IP approach considering the downstream financial impact of the care delivery, financing & related systems claiming entitlement. At the risk of trivializing the question:

http://2healthguru.wordpress.com/2009/03/26/i-will-license-or-lease-my-health-information-to-providers/

No pun intended!

It’s time to consider and IP approach considering the downstream financial impact of the care delivery, financing & related systems claiming entitlement.

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